Lucy

Selection from The Collected Works of Billy The Kid by Michael Ondaatje

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the poetry of rocks and cartoons

If Billy The Kid wrote poetry, it would sound like this I think. Ondaatje's book is a brilliant work of fictional poetry. Billy The Kid drank a lot and lived in the rocky dry area of New Mexico where violence was common. According to some accounts The Kid was a good guy trying to defend ranchers from big business. No Road Runner cartoon or Yosemite Sam here. Sorry.

Which poets are you reading?

Elizabeth Bishop, Hart Crane, William Shakespeare, Elvis Costello.

Maybe, Lucy, what I meant by cartoonlike is trying to have effect rather than trying to say something. It is a category of pseudoartistic effort that is very common among the young. The reaction many young people have to 'cool' poetry, and to other things that are more pseudo than art - is that they say 'cool'. But cannot say what was there. Think of the quintessential piece of cool pseudo art for the young - the Matrix movies. Cartoonlike in that reality is completely replaced by abandonment, made marketable by special effects. Anvils on the head instead of ideas in them.

I will agree with you that Ondaatje is a good writer, even brilliant. But is this stuff expressing anything? Or is it manipulative fantasy for nothing more than fun?

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I've always been fond of Shakespeare, not too fond of the rest of your faves. Sometimes when we get older, we forget that the younger generation has something to say and also has an interesting way of saying it.

If you read the book, The Collected Works of Billy the Kid, some of the poems are expressing a beauty in the natural world. This poem is brutal, but the world Billy lived in was brutal. This art form is called fictional poetry and has a long tradition.

As for form. I think this type of disjointed style can get to deeper, less-polished, truths. I would call the Imagists the forefathers and foremothers of this style.

Thanks for weighing in, though I really was not expecting, the merits of the poem to be debated.

Lucy, who knows that Beethoven's contemporaries must have descried his loud and chaotic style at the beginning.
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I didn't say, Lucy that the poets I was reading were favorites. Just that I was reading them.

What signaled to me that the Billy poem was cheap/cartoonlike was NOT the form. Not the shock. Not the voice. Not that it was loud or chaotic or iconoclastic. Not the fact that it fits into a body of stuff that has a name. What signaled to me that it was cheap/cartoonlike was its lack of substance. Beethoven may have been objected to, but not for not having substance.

Is it strange (like ... chaotic???) that people comment on a poem submitted in a forum designed to get people to talk to each other?

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I like the poem, though it is not the finest in the book. I stand by its dispassionate observation, because some of the world was and is like that. I'm not that way, but have met people so desensitized to violence that they are.

Did the poem offend your sensibilities? I find I have to sit with something at times and decide where my objection to a work comes from.

Debate is welcome. I'm just surprised to see a published and established writer's work being called "cartoon-ish." I think I could say the same about Edmund Spencer, an established Renaissance writer. We all have those established writers, whose work seems without merit to us.

Yes, thank you for the debate.

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